Cedric Fisher: "earnestly contending for the faith."

Month: January 2014 (Page 1 of 2)

Hebrew Roots Debate

Hebrew Roots Debate

I am presently involved in a debate with proponents of the Hebrew Roots Movement on Stand Up For the Truth.  So far it has been an interesting debate without any of the usual ad hominem I have come to expect from HRM proponents.  The debate provides an interesting insight into this heretical movement, especially regarding their hermeneutics and soteriology.  One glaring flaw in their hermeneutics is common to all cults, and that is to consistently remove verses and even sentences from context and form an opinion around them.  It is obvious that when they study the Scriptures, they are not searching for truth, but for support for their doctrine.  That is evidence of loving doctrine more than truth.

The defense of their doctrine involves a complete revision of the New Testament.  Each of the verses against their doctrine (and the New Testament is replete with them) is separated, dissected, added to, and forced to say the opposite of what it actually says.  They will borrow verses that were written under the Mosaic Law and use them in an attempt to validate their insistence that Christians remain under that Law.  They appear incapable of understanding the Atonement or the advent of the Holy Spirit.  Without any scriptural authority, they split the Mosaic Law into two sections, the rules and regulations and the sacrificial system.  From that flawed premise, they insist that Christ only fulfilled and thus ended the sacrificial system, but not the rules and regulations.

Eventually, they will bring in Hebrew tradition and try to shift the debate to a wrangling over the meaning of Hebrew and Greek words.  They know full well that most everyone has access to a concordance, but not everyone has studied Hebrew and/or Greek.  Thus, if they can push the debate into the shadows of those languages, they can cloud the main topic.  Further, it’s a fact that some people are easily impressed when Hebrew and Greek terms are being tossed about.

The fact remains that God gave us a Bible that contains a Gospel and complete picture of His Savior Christ Jesus with the plan of salvation.  It is the simplicity of the Gospel that is so compelling.  The HRM wishes to complicate the matter, insisting that salvation is not complete without the Mosaic Law.  Somehow that flawed theory resonates with some people.  However, millions of people are involved in cults and false religions that contain more rules than the Mosaic Law.  It has long been my belief that the carnal mind will tolerate anything but full surrender to God and His Holy Spirit.  When full surrender occurs, the carnal mind has to die.  Once crucified with Christ, the ML no longer has authority over such a one.  The higher and great law of that the Holy Spirit imparts will dwell in everyone who has fully committed to God through Christ Jesus.

The HRM presents a dangerous doctrine that rejects the Atonement.  No matter how much they declare that they have accepted Christ Jesus, they have in fact (as evidenced by their doctrine) accepted another Christ and another gospel.  That is why I decided to spend the time refuting their doctrine.

Hebrew Roots Debate

Heretics: A List of heretics and people that promote them

List of heretics:

The following, in my opinion, are heretics perverting and destroying Christianity.

A.  Arnott, John

B.  Bell, Rob; Barton, Ruth Haley; Bentley, Todd; Brown, Rodney Howard; Babbs, Loz; Blanchard, Ken; Borg, Marcus; Boyd, Gregory; Burke, Spencer; Burns, Jim; Basham, Don; Bickle, Mike

C.  Copeland, Kenneth and Gloria; Cho, Paul Yongi; Crouch, Paul and Jan; Cain, Paul; Crowder, John; Clarke, Randy; Cerello, Morris; Cerello, David; Collins, Jill; Crabb, Larry; Compolo, Tony; Colson, Chuck;

D.  Dye, Colin; Detrick, Jodie; Driscoll, Mark

E.  Erre, Mike; Engle, Lou;

F.  Foster, Richard; Ford, Leighton; Fox, Matthew;

G.  Griffin, Emile; Gumbel, Nickey; Girt, Ken; Greig, Pete;

H.  Hinn, Benny; Hagan, Kenneth; Hill, Steve; Hybels, Bill; Hirch, Alan; Hickey, Marilyn:

I.  Ingram, Lou

J.  Jakes, T. D.; Jacobs, Cindy; Joyner, Rick; Jones, Tony; Jones, Bob; Jones, Alan; Jones, Lauri Beth; Jordan, Benard; Johnson, Jan;

K.  Kilpatrick, John; Kidd, Sue Monk; King, Patricia; Keating, Thomas; Kreeft, Peter;

L.  Lamb, Joni and Marcus; Long, Eddie; Lucado, Max;

M.  Merton, Thomas; Moore, Beth; McLaren, Brian; Murdock, Mike; Myers, Joyce; Manning, Brennan; McCracken, Brett, McManus, Erwin; Miller, Don; Moreland, J. P.;

N.  Nouwen, Henri;

O.  Osteen, Joel;

P.  Prince, Joseph; Parsley, Rod; Price, Fredrick; Paulk, Earl; Pagitt, Doug; Prince, Derrick; Peterson, Eugene

Q.

R.  Robbins, Maggie and Duffy; Roberts, Oral (and Richard); Robison, James; Robertson, Pat; Rohr, Richard;

S.  Scotland, John; Schuller, Robert (and son Robert Jr.); Sweet, Leonard; Stone, Perry;

T.  Tilton, Robert; Thomas, Gary;

U.

V.  VosKamp, Ann;

W.  Willard, Dallas; Winfry, Opra; Warren, Rick; Wood, George; White, Paula; Wilber, Ken; Webber, Robert; Winner, Lauren;

X.

Y.  Young, William Paul;  Young, Sarah; Young, Ed

Z.

There are also many heads of Denominations, Christian Organizations, and Ministries condoning and even promoting Spiritual Formation and Contemplative Prayer.  J. P. Moreland supports Contemplative Spirituality.  J. I. Packer signed the heretical and unequally yoked “Evangelicals and Catholics Together”.  The Christian Mission in the Third Millennium.”  Max Lucado supports and actively promotes Contemplative Spirituality.  George Wood, General Superintendent of the Assemblies of God invited a new age guru to speak at the General Council.  He has been engaged in other activities that are certain to bring many that under his influence into deception.  Charles Stanley’s staff has been engaged in promoting Contemplative Prayer.

Billy Graham declares that his views about scriptural salvation have changed over the years.  He is on video as declaring to Robert Schuller that Muslims, Buddhists, and other pagans can get to heaven another way than through scriptural salvation.  Graham has also gone on record to praise the Pope, which I find deplorable.  In fact, Richard Foster is holding his Renovare Conference The Billy Graham Training Center at the Cove in Asheville, NC in 2013.  Billy and Franklin Graham joined a list of heretics to speak at the 2008 heretical Catalyst Conference. James Robinson has had several New Age/Contemplative individuals on his program.  He gave glowing endorsement for Ann VosKamp and her heretical and very deceptive book, One Thousand Gifts”.

The main point is to be familiar enough with God’s word that you can detect a heretic and his/her heresy.

 

Milk and the Baby Factor

The apostle Paul wrote in 2 Corinthians 3:1-3, “And I, brethren, could not speak to you as to spiritual people but as to carnal, as to babes in Christ. I fed you with milk and not with solid food; for until now you were not able to receive it, and even now you are still not able; for you are still carnal.”  An old minister once remarked to me, “I don’t mind feeding them milk, but I hate to part their whiskers to do it.”  Of course, he was implying that they ought to have grown enough in spiritual maturity to be able to consume deeper preaching and teaching.  I believe the same could be said about the present crop of professing Christians.  However, the current trend in church growth is to give them milk.

It reminds me of a channel on our Roku that has nothing but children’s videos.  It presents a number of videos with familiar children’s tunes such as “Twinkle, Twinkle, Little Star.”  The colors are bright and large and move about with the music.  My youngest granddaughter fascinated by it.  I turned it on the other day and my now 7-year-old granddaughter couldn’t take her eyes off of it.  This is what church meetings have become to a great extent.  It’s all about visuals, smoke rising from the stage during worship music, large video screens, and benign messages that end quickly with no embarrassing alter calls.  People bring their iPads, Kindles, and smart phones to the services.  Some preachers even allow people to text them while they are preaching.  The focus is no longer on God and His word, but on a high tech way to manage the meetings so that it all approves of and fits well inside the attention span of the congregants.

The “experts” declare that it is the best way to reach the so-called unchurched and Generations X, Y, and Z.  Generation X was born after the Baby Boomers and ended in the early 80s.  Generation Y, also called the millennials, ranges from the 80s to 2000.  Now there is Generation Z, the high tech generation.  Maybe the “experts” are right when it comes to numerical growth.  A church can be launched (a term for a popular church planting program) and within weeks it will have enough attendees to pay the bills.  In a few months, it outstrips the neighboring churches in attendance and can grow into a mega church if properly managed.  Add a few social programs to make everyone feel as though they are making a difference, and presto, it is assumed that there is a new force in the religious sector.  Never mind that they empty other churches to build their church, it has all the marks of success, excitement, full parking lots, and a lot of busy-ness.

But is this what it is all about?  Is it about cramming people into a building, dazzling them with music, videos, and high tech gadgets, and then feed them a little milk and send them on their way?  Can an army of babies fight the type of battle that is not only raging at the present in Christianity , but is certain to become more intense and widespread?  Most professing Christians involved in these types of churches have no clue as to the source of their belief system (if they have one at all) and cannot properly defend it.  They are finicky, high maintenance/low productivity, individuals that cannot even identify heresy or the heretic that brings it.  Most of them will accept whatever is preached or taught without question as long as it does not convict them or otherwise make them feel uncomfortable.  The majority came out of spiritually comatose traditional churches and the rest came out of the world system.  In all likelihood they had no spiritual birthday.  They wandered in, drawn like a bug to a night light, and felt comfortable enough to stay.  Of course, that is the whole point of the Launch and Seeker-friendly churches. It is not to bring people into the Kingdom of God, but to stack them into a church building for a short period on Sunday morning.  It’s a social event, like going to a play or a Christmas concert.

I confess that I do not know to what extent high technology should be involved in a church meeting.  That is really not my point.  Instead, I am pointing out the fact that it does not matter how a church draws a crowd if they come empty and leave the same way.  When the atmosphere presents such a cavalier attitude toward God and His word, and there is no passion, anointing, and conviction, there will be no spiritual progress.  If the leaders of the church do not take God’s word serious, do not have a passion, and do not pray and seek God for anointing, why should anyone else take the whole affair of “church” seriously?  Someone might ask, “But, won’t the spiritual babes also go the heaven?”  I suppose so, if they are not devoured first (1 Peter 5:8).  Another consequence of luring babes with visuals and feeding them pabulum is that the church at large becomes infected with a consortium of heretical influences that further separate people from God’s word and purpose.

That is what I am observing today.  There are so many diabolical doctrines and practices flowing unchecked into Christianity that it cannot possible survive much longer.  Truth is being called falsehood and falsehood is being called truth.  Scriptural prayer is being destroyed with a pagan substitute.  Yoga, Transcendental Meditation, Contemplative Spirituality, and other influences from the New Age Movement have been repackaged, relabeled, and are being accepted at an alarming rate by highly influential church leaders.  Some churches have become so infested with heresy and blatant wickedness that they can no longer be considered Christian institutions.  Entire denominations are being swayed and converted to a mixture of Christianity and paganism.  Not only is there little resistance from the church members and denominational adherents, but few are willing to listen to the truth about what is occurring.  Maybe if it was presented with a bit of smoke and high tech gadgetry they would listen.  Even then, most of them would be too weak spiritually to do anything about it.

I have been asked repeatedly what can be done about the situation.  There is only one answer; people have to return to making God first in their lives.  Everything that distracts from that goal must be rejected.  The high tech church is not a problem in and of itself.  It is the fascination and even obsession with throwing away the old methods and everything that is involved with them.  I agree that each generation has to find its own way to do the will of God.  However, they must realize that the old methods worked for the older generations because they made Christ the center of all that they did.  That part cannot be thrown away along with the old methods.  The virtues must not be discarded with the relics of a past generations quest to please God.  If there is no passion for God, there will never be a God-honored purpose.  If there is no God-honored purpose, there will never be enough spiritual fire to spark a revival.  As one someone once said, “Every generation needs its own revival; God has no grandchildren.”

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